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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://www.fourplusoneproductions.com/post/1105/comment-page-1#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 02:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to admit, it was a lot easier to worry about the conscience side of purchases before I went back to school. Now every spare minute I have is spent in mindless entertainment or physical activity since my mind is mush by the time I finish class and studying each day. Before, I had more time and funds, which enabled me to put a lot more thought into each purchase.

Now I have specific go-to choices on certain things that balance the conscience, convenience, health, environmental and limited resources/frugality sides of the equation without taking too much of my limited time/energy each time I buy something. It also helps me avoid the whole paradox of choice situation.

For example, I buy a lot of books from Biblio (which is mostly local bookstores). I bought a great book called Uncharitable about giving non-profits the same financial tools of capitalism that for-profit companies have. The price was great, they shipped it quickly and I supported a small book store I never would have had time to go to. My other go-to option is used books through Amazon marketplace or half.com. Doing this allows me to balance all the factors I care about without taking too much time and energy each time I buy a book. The sacrifice is helping my immediate locality though.

Also, I categorically buy things for my bike from local shops. I have benefited from free trail advice, troubleshooting and tools use over the years to make the additional cost well worth it. Here I sacrifice a bit on frugality, but I gain the service and convenience of the local shop and not having to think about the decision.

Also, my wife and I don&#039;t buy certain types of pre-packaged food. We don&#039;t always make it to the farmer&#039;s market for produce and such, but we always get fresh produce/meat. We get a majority of the health benefits from eating well, sometimes the clean conscience of helping a local farmer and it works with our schedules.

Since I don&#039;t have the time, energy or interest in researching each purchase, I do the calculating at the abstract level and then just go with the plan, adjusting it along the way as need be. It&#039;s not perfect, but it works really well for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit, it was a lot easier to worry about the conscience side of purchases before I went back to school. Now every spare minute I have is spent in mindless entertainment or physical activity since my mind is mush by the time I finish class and studying each day. Before, I had more time and funds, which enabled me to put a lot more thought into each purchase.</p>
<p>Now I have specific go-to choices on certain things that balance the conscience, convenience, health, environmental and limited resources/frugality sides of the equation without taking too much of my limited time/energy each time I buy something. It also helps me avoid the whole paradox of choice situation.</p>
<p>For example, I buy a lot of books from Biblio (which is mostly local bookstores). I bought a great book called Uncharitable about giving non-profits the same financial tools of capitalism that for-profit companies have. The price was great, they shipped it quickly and I supported a small book store I never would have had time to go to. My other go-to option is used books through Amazon marketplace or half.com. Doing this allows me to balance all the factors I care about without taking too much time and energy each time I buy a book. The sacrifice is helping my immediate locality though.</p>
<p>Also, I categorically buy things for my bike from local shops. I have benefited from free trail advice, troubleshooting and tools use over the years to make the additional cost well worth it. Here I sacrifice a bit on frugality, but I gain the service and convenience of the local shop and not having to think about the decision.</p>
<p>Also, my wife and I don&#8217;t buy certain types of pre-packaged food. We don&#8217;t always make it to the farmer&#8217;s market for produce and such, but we always get fresh produce/meat. We get a majority of the health benefits from eating well, sometimes the clean conscience of helping a local farmer and it works with our schedules.</p>
<p>Since I don&#8217;t have the time, energy or interest in researching each purchase, I do the calculating at the abstract level and then just go with the plan, adjusting it along the way as need be. It&#8217;s not perfect, but it works really well for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Hinmon</title>
		<link>http://www.fourplusoneproductions.com/post/1105/comment-page-1#comment-52</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Hinmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 23:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Niel,

Re: Trent @TSD

&quot;I hear what you&#039;re saying, but I think you misjudge the guy!&quot; 

Put down my plate of food and walk out of room, only to reappear through the round window and keep and angry eye on you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Niel,</p>
<p>Re: Trent @TSD</p>
<p>&#8220;I hear what you&#8217;re saying, but I think you misjudge the guy!&#8221; </p>
<p>Put down my plate of food and walk out of room, only to reappear through the round window and keep and angry eye on you.</p>
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		<title>By: Yoon</title>
		<link>http://www.fourplusoneproductions.com/post/1105/comment-page-1#comment-51</link>
		<dc:creator>Yoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 22:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This may be somewhat off the topic but alls I can say is that I will spend an extra $1.02 for General Mills Honey Nut Cheerios instead of Albertsons brand honey with nut Oat Cereal.  Same goes for Peanut Butter Cap&#039;n Crunch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may be somewhat off the topic but alls I can say is that I will spend an extra $1.02 for General Mills Honey Nut Cheerios instead of Albertsons brand honey with nut Oat Cereal.  Same goes for Peanut Butter Cap&#8217;n Crunch.</p>
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		<title>By: Niel</title>
		<link>http://www.fourplusoneproductions.com/post/1105/comment-page-1#comment-50</link>
		<dc:creator>Niel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 20:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One reason why I don&#039;t read The Simple Dollar as religiously as others is because Trent seems to obsess over each financial decision in his life. I recognize doing so has now become his profession/livelihood, but I guarantee he is not the most exciting guy to be next to at a party. I have an older sister like this. She is very good with money, almost has her house paid off, and will probably retire much sooner and with much more than I could ever dream of; however, she never shuts up about it and sometimes is unpleasant to make plans with (dinner, vacation, etc.) because of the agony that will go behind the decision. I want to be smart with my money and save for the future, but I suppose I just plain don&#039;t care enough sometimes. Even if that means occasionally overspending.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One reason why I don&#8217;t read The Simple Dollar as religiously as others is because Trent seems to obsess over each financial decision in his life. I recognize doing so has now become his profession/livelihood, but I guarantee he is not the most exciting guy to be next to at a party. I have an older sister like this. She is very good with money, almost has her house paid off, and will probably retire much sooner and with much more than I could ever dream of; however, she never shuts up about it and sometimes is unpleasant to make plans with (dinner, vacation, etc.) because of the agony that will go behind the decision. I want to be smart with my money and save for the future, but I suppose I just plain don&#8217;t care enough sometimes. Even if that means occasionally overspending.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Hinmon</title>
		<link>http://www.fourplusoneproductions.com/post/1105/comment-page-1#comment-49</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Hinmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 19:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know a clean conscience isn&#039;t worth bloated consumer debt. It&#039;s problem that I hope to resolve at least partially by traditional capitalistic methods: make more money. Until then, I&#039;ll go with Nick and trust my guts in each situation that arrives. It ain&#039;t easy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know a clean conscience isn&#8217;t worth bloated consumer debt. It&#8217;s problem that I hope to resolve at least partially by traditional capitalistic methods: make more money. Until then, I&#8217;ll go with Nick and trust my guts in each situation that arrives. It ain&#8217;t easy.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://www.fourplusoneproductions.com/post/1105/comment-page-1#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 19:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In this case, it&#039;s not a matter of quality vs. quantity (which is typically a pretty easy choice), it&#039;s about frugality vs. guilt.  Do you spend your money, taking the &quot;feel good&quot; route of supporting the local vendor, or do you spend some uneasy moments rationalizing the savings in ordering at discount?  It seems to me that the next question is: how much money is a clean conscience worth?

And I am not pretending to be on a high horse here.  I buy irrigation supplies for my garden and building supplies for my house from Lowe&#039;s.  If I buy a book, I&#039;m ordering it from Amazon.  And I do this even though, like you, I feel a bit of a pang each time.  I guess right now for these situations, I&#039;d rather take the hit to my conscience than to my wallet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this case, it&#8217;s not a matter of quality vs. quantity (which is typically a pretty easy choice), it&#8217;s about frugality vs. guilt.  Do you spend your money, taking the &#8220;feel good&#8221; route of supporting the local vendor, or do you spend some uneasy moments rationalizing the savings in ordering at discount?  It seems to me that the next question is: how much money is a clean conscience worth?</p>
<p>And I am not pretending to be on a high horse here.  I buy irrigation supplies for my garden and building supplies for my house from Lowe&#8217;s.  If I buy a book, I&#8217;m ordering it from Amazon.  And I do this even though, like you, I feel a bit of a pang each time.  I guess right now for these situations, I&#8217;d rather take the hit to my conscience than to my wallet.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://www.fourplusoneproductions.com/post/1105/comment-page-1#comment-47</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 18:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, nicely written and researched. It&#039;s satisfying to read something online that actually makes sense.

I understand the predicament you are frequently finding yourself in, however I do think you might be over analyzing, thus creating a larger problem for yourself. Although very important to weigh all options and repercussions, as far as I&#039;m concerned, you need to just go with your gut when it comes to most of these issues. 

There are SO MANY hidden factors in all of the points and questions you raise, that it would be nearly impossible to answer them all, and you would probably be a different pant size by the time you came to a fully successful, educated conclusion. One very heated debate I often find myself in, and this seems to pertain to your article here, is the idea and the importance of Made In America. I know a clothing brand here in LA, which is Made In Los Angeles... at a factory owned by a very good Korean man, who pays his hard-working employees cash because they are here illegally. I also know that in Ohio, just outside Columbus, there is a Honda plant which employs a huge number of local workers. Which is better to support? Which deserves the coveted Made In America badge? What is more important, my money going to a foreign company, or my money going to foreign employees? My point, is that gut instinct and on the fly math is sometimes your only, and best shot at a real educated guess. 

It&#039;s like Ed Norton&#039;s job in Fight Club, you need to be a recall specialist. If X+Y-Z doesn&#039;t equal a sum greater than, say 5, don&#039;t buy. Take what you know for sure about the brand, fit, price, origin, store, style, etc... plug it into your equation, and pull the trigger.

I&#039;m not saying educating yourself is a downfall, quite the opposite, just that no matter the brand, the style, the store, etc, you&#039;re going to find pros and cons. And as much as I think support to certain parties is integral these days, sometimes your personal happiness is even important. 

Take care of yourself and in turn, you will take better care of the world, jeans, books and sunglasses the same. 

nick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, nicely written and researched. It&#8217;s satisfying to read something online that actually makes sense.</p>
<p>I understand the predicament you are frequently finding yourself in, however I do think you might be over analyzing, thus creating a larger problem for yourself. Although very important to weigh all options and repercussions, as far as I&#8217;m concerned, you need to just go with your gut when it comes to most of these issues. </p>
<p>There are SO MANY hidden factors in all of the points and questions you raise, that it would be nearly impossible to answer them all, and you would probably be a different pant size by the time you came to a fully successful, educated conclusion. One very heated debate I often find myself in, and this seems to pertain to your article here, is the idea and the importance of Made In America. I know a clothing brand here in LA, which is Made In Los Angeles&#8230; at a factory owned by a very good Korean man, who pays his hard-working employees cash because they are here illegally. I also know that in Ohio, just outside Columbus, there is a Honda plant which employs a huge number of local workers. Which is better to support? Which deserves the coveted Made In America badge? What is more important, my money going to a foreign company, or my money going to foreign employees? My point, is that gut instinct and on the fly math is sometimes your only, and best shot at a real educated guess. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s like Ed Norton&#8217;s job in Fight Club, you need to be a recall specialist. If X+Y-Z doesn&#8217;t equal a sum greater than, say 5, don&#8217;t buy. Take what you know for sure about the brand, fit, price, origin, store, style, etc&#8230; plug it into your equation, and pull the trigger.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying educating yourself is a downfall, quite the opposite, just that no matter the brand, the style, the store, etc, you&#8217;re going to find pros and cons. And as much as I think support to certain parties is integral these days, sometimes your personal happiness is even important. </p>
<p>Take care of yourself and in turn, you will take better care of the world, jeans, books and sunglasses the same. </p>
<p>nick</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Hinmon</title>
		<link>http://www.fourplusoneproductions.com/post/1105/comment-page-1#comment-46</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Hinmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 18:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some great points you guys make. I think there is definitely something to be said about making a human connection over a purchase. That goes right along with what Niel said about service. I think it&#039;s fair to pay for it, and it&#039;s rewarding. But at what price? 

I&#039;m all for the hand made footwear as well. The fact that my Sperry Topsiders are coming unglued from the sole after only a few months worth of wear makes me even more likely to go the Quoddy/Russell Moccasin&#039;s route next time. As long as I can afford it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some great points you guys make. I think there is definitely something to be said about making a human connection over a purchase. That goes right along with what Niel said about service. I think it&#8217;s fair to pay for it, and it&#8217;s rewarding. But at what price? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for the hand made footwear as well. The fact that my Sperry Topsiders are coming unglued from the sole after only a few months worth of wear makes me even more likely to go the Quoddy/Russell Moccasin&#8217;s route next time. As long as I can afford it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.fourplusoneproductions.com/post/1105/comment-page-1#comment-45</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 17:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that it&#039;s a hard spot to be in. I think beyond the small problem of you or I finding a pair of jeans you like for a fair price, is also considering who is making the jeans, where they are from and why are you supporting that brand/company. Lately I&#039;ve found out a lot more about the hand made footwear business and it&#039;s pretty scary. So many factories have closed and there are so few left putting out these special products that have such a great amount of care. The unfortunate part, is that because of the dying factories, even buttons, leathers or cottons are hard to come by, so these prices go up, so instead of buying a Quoddy boat shoe for $220, you can buy a Sperry for $60. So beyond just supporting a retailer like that, by buying locally, you are more likely helping support one of these brands and allowing them to stay alive and continue with their craft.

I am personally guilty of trying to get the best deals I can however, I don&#039;t have heaps of money and I have a problem with buying nice things, so I have to.

In the end, I think finding a balance is good. You don&#039;t have to always buy American or shop at a local boutique, but if you are shopping, it would be good if you did once in awhile at least. In the long wrong, if you didn&#039;t save your $40, you probably made a more interesting human interaction, developed a relationship and probably feel better in the end too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that it&#8217;s a hard spot to be in. I think beyond the small problem of you or I finding a pair of jeans you like for a fair price, is also considering who is making the jeans, where they are from and why are you supporting that brand/company. Lately I&#8217;ve found out a lot more about the hand made footwear business and it&#8217;s pretty scary. So many factories have closed and there are so few left putting out these special products that have such a great amount of care. The unfortunate part, is that because of the dying factories, even buttons, leathers or cottons are hard to come by, so these prices go up, so instead of buying a Quoddy boat shoe for $220, you can buy a Sperry for $60. So beyond just supporting a retailer like that, by buying locally, you are more likely helping support one of these brands and allowing them to stay alive and continue with their craft.</p>
<p>I am personally guilty of trying to get the best deals I can however, I don&#8217;t have heaps of money and I have a problem with buying nice things, so I have to.</p>
<p>In the end, I think finding a balance is good. You don&#8217;t have to always buy American or shop at a local boutique, but if you are shopping, it would be good if you did once in awhile at least. In the long wrong, if you didn&#8217;t save your $40, you probably made a more interesting human interaction, developed a relationship and probably feel better in the end too.</p>
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		<title>By: Niel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 17:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like so many other important topics, this is extremely subjective and I think we must all find the balance that works for us. I believe in Capitalism and see nothing wrong with paying the least amount for a product or service - provided I am getting the quality I need and my purchase is not causing harm to others (the subjective part.) One way I like to look at certain purchases is that the service provided is something I am buying as well as the product. For example - if I need a new appliance and a knowledgeable employee helps me make the most informed and correct decision, I feel an obligation to purchase from that establishment. Because if I went and found the same product for cheaper elsewhere, I feel I would be failing to pay for something that was provided to me (the service.) Again, this is extremely subjective and many people have no problem milking free advice/service only to save a few pennies elsewhere. I do this when shopping for airline tickets - start my search at orbitz, find the best deal, and then go directly to that airline&#039;s webpage and save few bucks. I guess I justify it because no human being was involved in the experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like so many other important topics, this is extremely subjective and I think we must all find the balance that works for us. I believe in Capitalism and see nothing wrong with paying the least amount for a product or service &#8211; provided I am getting the quality I need and my purchase is not causing harm to others (the subjective part.) One way I like to look at certain purchases is that the service provided is something I am buying as well as the product. For example &#8211; if I need a new appliance and a knowledgeable employee helps me make the most informed and correct decision, I feel an obligation to purchase from that establishment. Because if I went and found the same product for cheaper elsewhere, I feel I would be failing to pay for something that was provided to me (the service.) Again, this is extremely subjective and many people have no problem milking free advice/service only to save a few pennies elsewhere. I do this when shopping for airline tickets &#8211; start my search at orbitz, find the best deal, and then go directly to that airline&#8217;s webpage and save few bucks. I guess I justify it because no human being was involved in the experience.</p>
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